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Brakes &
Buggy Brakes --
Your stock Bug like all passenger cars, do 75 / 80% of there breaking
with the front tires. As the weight transfers to the front under hard
breaking that's where all the work must be done.
Not so on the off road buggy. First off you have very little weight on the front tires and if the try to do
much braking they lock up and all
steering control is lost. Large wide tires on the rear adds to the
problem. With that said you will still want to run front brakes but
correctly set up.
The larger the wheel cylinder and wider the brake shoe means more
braking.
The stock VW will have about 22mm wheel cylinder on front and 17mm on
the rear. As you can see this is all wrong for the buggy with no weight
on the front tires.
You need the large wheel cylinders on the rear and small on the front.
.....or the easy way, use the Brake
Adjustable Proportion Valve
#PM 163157 --> $47.95 ......
Now the front is easy, just use the 68 or later rears (113 611 053B)
17mm wheel cylinders and install them on the KP or BJ front end.
On the other hand if your running a Stock 71-on Bug
and need a little less braking up front you can use the rear T3 -
65-73 #311 611 067C 22mm wheel cylinders instead of the std
23.8mm cylinder #361 611 067A that's normally used on 71-on
SB
There are some other wheel cylinders that can be switched around but
always check the distance from the backing plate to the center of the
shoe first.
The rear brakes require some extra steps, if you are using a swing Axle
trans. (Up to 67) First you must replace the S.A. backing plates with 68
or later ones, so you can install the 57-on ( 131 611 057
) 22mm wheel
cylinder. (Note: You can NOT use the wider 1
5/8" 68-on brake shoes with the stock 5-lug brk drums)
On the rear ( IRS trans.) just install the big wheel cylinder ##131
611 057 or switch to the rear T3 Brakes set
up.
Another advantage of the 68-on IRS rear brakes is that the brake shoes
are about 1 5/8" wide compared to the 1 3/16" wide shoes used
on the S.A. set up.
One step better then the std. IRS rear brakes would installing the Type-3 rear brakes (65 & earlier
for 5-lug drums) Type-3 linings are wider ( 1-3/4") and the drums are larger in
diameter and they already have the 22mm
or use the 23.8mm #361 611 067A front SB wheel cylinders with the T3
rear brakes. You will have
to remove about .550" off the outside snout of the drum to use them
with the S.A. short axle transmission. If you get the complete set up backing
plate; drums and all it's an easy bolt on installation. 5-lug
axle splines are 1 7/8" & 4-lug axel splines are 2 1/2"
long
Now there are other set ups that can be made to work, like some type-2
and "Thing"
brakes, but they are hard to find and the price
can be high. Note:
We just got some Thing Drums
in at a reasonable price but don't know how long they will last)
Because Disc-Brakes Kits have steadily gone down in price it would
probably be cheaper than the Bus or Thing brakes. And disc brakes on the
rear is by far the best brake set up. But you will still need the
smaller 17mm wheel cylinder up front.
To convert the front to Disc Brakes you will need different Spindles,
There are many different suppliers of these conversions. Just remember a
light weight buggy needs less front braking not more.
To get better Pedal you might want to install a 2-psi residual pressure
valve in the disc brake line. Remember the 10 psi is only used with Drum
Brakes. Install the residual valve as close to the master cylinder as
possible if it does not screw directly into the master cylinder. If your
Master cylinder is lower than the brake calipers then you will need the
residual pressure valve for sure.
Master cylinders work just the opposite as wheel cylinders. As the MC
diameter gets smaller less pedal pressure is required. The larger the
master cylinder bore, the more pedal pressure is required for the same
braking.
The most common master cylinder used on buggies is the early type-2
(211 611 011J) 22mm which we have used with rear
disc and 17mm front
cylinders. If every thing is set up correct, there is plenty of fluid to
do the job. But if the rotors are not true or the front brakes are out
of adjustment you might be lacking on the amount of fluid the 22mm bore
master cylinder will push.
That's why Neal and other brake builders offer several different MC bore
diameters, 5/8" to 1"
Make sure the pedal comes all the way back after every time the brakes
are applied. The brake rod must have a small amount of free play when
the pedal is all the way back.
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If a brake drags slightly after a hard stop, check out the brake hose as
it might be restricting the brake fluid returning from the wheel
cylinder.
Use Dot-3 fluid (never Silicon brake fluid)
and flush the system every two years. Hot & cold, sun and shade have
a tendency to produce moisture in the brake lines much faster then if
the lines are under a stock car. Flush the brake lines with brake fluid,
dry air or alcohol. One drop of oil in the fluid will contaminate the
fluid.
Never get oil on the linings and forget the "brake clean" as
it just dissolves the oil and lets it go deeper into the lining. Race
mechanics won't let you touch the lining as even the oil off your hands
is not wanted.
Most-off road cars use the early 5-lug wheel because of it's superior
strength compared to the 4-lug wheel.
If your running a Ball Joint front end you can use the 5-lug 66-67 front
drums if you use the 68 and later inner wheel bearing.
If you have a King & Link front end then you must stick to the 5-lug
drums up front. (Unless you spend big bucks for Blank Drums that allow
you to custom drill any bolt pattern.)
We also prefer the press-in studs and nuts rather then the stock bolts.
And many after-market wheels are too thick to use the stock stud.
The Steering brake or Cutting brake can be very useful when you have a
very light front end.
Some prefer the Dual Handle when drag racing or running in the dunes, as
you can apply both rear brakes at the same time.
For off-road we prefer the Single
Handle, as when you grab it, it is
always the correct Handle.
In a panic situation you better not pull the wrong handle. In rough
terrain your body can move around quite a lot and you won't have time to
look down to see which handle you have grabbed. After a short time
pulling or pushing will become automatic just like pushing the clutch or
brake.
Steering brakes are often blamed when other brake problems occur. To
check if the steering brake is working properly just apply a slight
amount of brake with the foot pedal and then work the steering brake. If
it's tight and the handle doesn't keep moving then the problem is else
where. The turning brake will not move a lot of fluid so keep the brakes
adjusted up-tight.
Don't even think about using the stock emergency brake cable system as
they will surely catch on something and jerk the cables off. The
Park-Lock is installed in the brake line and works great.
One last thing is about adjusting the VW brakes. They must be adjusted a
little different then most cars. Adjust them up until you have a slight
drag and then hit the brake pedal hard to center the shoes and adjust
again. You will have them about right when you stop 4 or 5 times and
then after jacking up the car there is still a very slight drag when the
wheel is turned.
To check if the brake bias is correct have a friend stand off to one
side and then as you pass him apply the brakes gradually until you lock
up all four wheels. If he thinks maybe the front end locked up every so
slightly just before the rear wheels locked up. Then your about as close
as you can get. Do this test on dirt or a gravel road if you have an off
road car.
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